2018/9/6
With the discontinuation of Chase's partnership with Korean Air, UR points will no longer transfer to Korean Air.
The only worthwhile conversion options now are United, British Airways, and Hyatt hotel points.
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Update:
Pudding shared with me today (1/28/2017) that there are some cases where you can search on Korean Air's website, but when you actually go to the ticketing and payment stage, an error appears. If you are planning to transfer UR to Korean Air for ticketing, it is recommended that you call Korean Air before transferring points and check with them.
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In last week's post "Roundtrip US-Hawaii for a family of four for 100,000 Korean Air miles" post, which was met with an overwhelming response.
At 25,000 miles, that's just a roundtrip in economy on domestic US flights, so being able to fly from the mainland to Hawaii and back (assuming space is available) is a pretty good deal.
By the way.
That's not the end of the story.
1) As I briefly mentioned at the end of my last post, Korean Air SkyTeam mileage redemption allows you to fly from the East to Hawaii from the Midwest or West. Free stopoverin the same way.
2) On top of that, if we add a destination open-jaw, then on entry, we'll use the When entering and exiting the island of Maui, you can also exit from the island of Honolulu.
For example, as shown in the image below,
- From New York to LA with a 5-day stopover in LA
- I'd go from LA to Maui (OGG), hang out for three or four days, and then I'd say.
- Buy a one-way intra-island Hawaiian ticket to Honolulu (HNL) (approximately $50-100)
- Then hang out in Honolulu (island of Oahu) and fly nonstop home to JFK
In this way A three-destination itinerary spanning LA, Maui, and Oahuto create a
And this epic journey, surprisingly, didn't cost much more than a one-way ticket to inter-island Hawaii. Solved with 25,000 miles per person You can do it. For a family of four, two adults + two kids, that's 100,000 miles. That's honey.
In today's post, we'll outline how to build an itinerary that includes stopovers and open jaws.for you.
Before we get into that, I want to make three points.
1) If this is the first time you've heard of stopovers and open-zero, make sure you understand these concepts first. This article is from 2011, but the information is still valid, so Check out the old article firstin the app.
2) You should also have a thorough understanding of how to find seats on Delta's site, which we covered in the last primer. You'll need a strong foundation before you can move on to the applications, so make sure you've read that before reading the following.
As a quick reminder. A segment from the US mainland to Hawaii (e.g. LA to Honolulu) should be available on Delta's site for 22,500 miles. A segment from the US mainland to the mainland (e.g. NY to LA) should be available on Delta's site for 12,500 miles, but can be ticketed using Korean Air miles.in the file.
3) Also, today we'll be discussing Assuming mileage seats are available, which they are notfor traveling. Travel-ready kids Spring break, summer vacation, and the holidays are times when everyone wants to travel, which is why we've created the Mileage seats can be very hard to come by. The foundation of mileage-redeemed travel is flexibility. It's important to remember
So, let's get started.
1. 1 stopover + 1 destination open-jaw possible
Maximizing the value of your miles starts with reading the rules carefully.
Korean Air's Rules and precautions for redeeming SkyTeam Miles tickets are available hereThe most important sentence for today's post is the following.
"The entire itinerary is allowed one non-destination stopover, which counts as a layover. However, you can make one stop at your destination during open jaw travel, which does not count as a stopover."
Now, you're probably not sure what I'm talking about.
In most of these cases, the explanation on the English version of the site makes sense. On the English site,
"One stopover (over 24 hours) is permitted during the entire journey, and is included in the number of transfers. One surface segment is permitted at the destination, and is not considered a stopover."
It looks like this
You might be confused by the word transfer, and I'll explain the requirements in a moment, but you only need to catch two pieces of information.
1) You can make one stopover (but not two) on a round trip to and from the airport.
2) One destination open-jaw is possible, and this open-jaw is not considered a stopover.
That is, One stopover + one open destination at the same timefor example.
Using the example itinerary I gave at the beginning of this post, LA would be the stopover point and Maui (OGG) to Honolulu (HNL) would be the pay-your-own-way surface segment = non-air transportation segment = open-jaw travel segment.
2. The journey to the final destination can only be up to 3 airplanes. If it's 4, it's an error.
One free stopover + one free destination open-jaw! That's a pretty good deal.
There is one caveat here.
The rule is "Up to two transfers permitted between departure and final destination each way". The English site says "Up to two transfers permitted between city of departure and destination each way".
This is a really important limitation.
In layman's terms, a transfer is the number of times you change planes.
If you're flying nonstop from New York to Honolulu, you'll have 0 transfers. On the other hand, if you're flying 2 flights with one stopover in LA, i.e. JFK-LAX and LAX-HNL, you'll have 1 transfer.
Korean Air's rules allow you to change planes twice to get from the origin to the destination, so JFK-DETROIT-LA-HNL is a three-plane itinerary (=two changes) and therefore qualifies, but JFK-BOS-DETROIT-LA-HNL is a four-plane itinerary (=three changes) and therefore cannot be ticketed.
You might think this isn't a big deal because no one wants to change planes three times to get to Hawaii.
This can be problematic if you want to do a stopover in the middle.
Remember the phrase "One stopover... is included in the number of transfers" from earlier when we talked about stopovers? In English, it means "One stopover... is included in the number of transfers".
This means, A stopover does not reset the number of transfers, but counts toward the total number of transfers from origin to destination.in other words.
For example, if you have a direct flight from JFK to LA, a stopover in LA, and a destination in HNL. If you have a direct flight from JFK to LA and a direct flight from LA to HNL, it's a two-plane (=one change) itinerary, no problem, right?
JFK-Detroit-LA, LA-HNL is also a three-plane trip (=two changes), so I count it.
However, an itinerary such as JFK-Detroit-LA, LA-Seattle-HNL is a violation of the rules because it's a long layover in LA in the middle of the trip, so even if you think it's "fair to fly multiple planes", it's still 4 flights (=3 changes) in a one-way trip and therefore not ticketable.
If you try, you'll get an error message like the one below.
3. If you are transferring, the connection time should not exceed 4 hours.
There's another thing to remember: you'll need to take a total of three flights per one-way trip, and the connection time between them can't be more than four hours for domestic flights that include Hawaii. ("Journey consisting of only domestic flights within North America (US/Canada) based on stopover time: 4 hours or more")
If you go over 4 hours, it's considered an extra stopover, and the mileage calculation will be incorrect..
For example: Atlanta-LA stopover, LA-OGG, HNL-SEA-ATL. In theory, it should be ticketed, but I get an error. The reason is that the flight change at SEA is over 4 hours.
If it's the same itinerary but the last HNL-ATL is a direct flight, no error is thrown.
4. the stopover point is recommended to be the hub of the delta.
Because of this, it is recommended that the stopover point be a Delta hub airport, as it should be as non-stop as possible from the origin to the stopover point, and as non-stop as possible from the stopover point to the Hawaii destination (or one stop with a connection time of 4 hours or less).
Delta's hubs are Atlanta (ATL), Minneapolis (MSP), Detroit (DTW), Salt Lake City (SLC), Seattle (SEA), and Los Angeles (LAX).
When it comes to traveling to Hawaii, LA and Seattle are your best options.
This is because LA serves all four Hawaiian airports (HNL, OGG, KOA, LIH), including LIH, and Seattle serves three Hawaiian airports (HNL, OGG, KOA), including LIH, so you're more likely to find a nonstop ticket.
Requirements HNL must fly to a nonstop city.
Requirements Maui (OGG) is a city with nonstop service.
Delta's route map where you can search for different destinations.
5. Let's try the exercise on the Korean Air site.
1) In the SkyTeam Award ticket search site, select a multi-city itinerary that is not a roundtrip. Look for the Add Itinerary button in the bottom right corner.
2) Seat availability has already been checked on Delta's site, so all you need to do is enter your New York, LA, Maui (OGG), Honolulu (HNL), and New York airport codes and dates. Just to reiterate, A segment from the US mainland to Hawaii (e.g. LA to Honolulu) should be available on Delta's site for 22,500 miles. A segment from the US mainland to the mainland (e.g. NY to LA) should be available on Delta's site for 12,500 miles, but can be ticketed using Korean Air miles.in the file.
3) Click Search and a message will appear stating that the open jaw section is only available once at the destination. Click OK to proceed to the next step.
4) Okay, so you have 10 flight options for your first leg NYC to LA, pick the one that's direct and convenient for your time zone.
5) For the second LA-Maui leg, I see 10 options including nonstop, please select nonstop.
6) There is a one-way direct flight back from Honolulu at the end of the day, so please press direct, and then calculate the fare.
7) Voila, 100,000 miles + $44.80 for a family of 4 (2 adults, 2 kids) to conquer the West and 2 Hawaiian IslandsOf course, you'll need to issue a separate ticket for the OGG-HNL segment, but the requirement isn't too expensive.
8) For comparison, I took the same flight on Delta's site and it came out to $3,279 for a family of 4. That's a lot of money, right?
9) These trips aren't just for people on the East Coast, but also for people in the middle of the country like Chicago.
10) For those of you on the West Coast, if you're traveling to two Hawaiian islands, then flying home, then going to New York afterward, you can think of itineraries like that.
11) But when I search like this, I get an error message because I have a stopover in LA + a stopover in LA, which is my first city of departure. The rules say "Transfers cannot be made at the city of departure and destination." ("Transfers cannot be made at the city of departure and destination.")
12) However It's possible (at least online) to travel to two Hawaiian islands, then New York City, then home to LA after the New York trip.in the center.
That's it for today's post.
In our next post, we'll talk about stopping in Hawaii on your way to or from Korea.
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198 Comments. Leave new
Wow... what a great explanation and deal!!!
Thank you for the great information every time! 🙂 I really appreciate it!
Thanks for this. I'll definitely give it a try this time.
I live in the West, what if I don't?
Is this journey even possible?
L.A. - Hawaii
Hawaii - New York
New York - Los Angeles
Rather, I'd like to make a stopover in Hawaii and go to New York, and I'm asking if it's possible...
I tested it and it works, so I've updated the body.
This is amazing...you really can't pay for information like this...I'm going to have to start planning for Hawaii next year...thank you so much, MileMoa.
I'm not single and I can't afford to be a mom with a kid lol.
I'm guessing there are regional differences.
Did you see this Korean Air card deal?? 15000 miles for first purchase after opening the card, $80 annual fee, $150 STATEMENT CREDIT after 3 months 1500 spending... Anyone else?
You'll have to wait until 40,000 miles for the Korean Air card.
Thank you so much for the informative information =)
Mamo, please post the next one soon. 내일이라도 ^^.
I'm looking for rebates and miles to stop in Hawaii if I go to Korea, but...
I've booked DanGong miles for my flight from Korea, but my flight to Hawaii is in early June, so I don't have any other option but Revnew.
I decided that I had to work harder and earn more Dan Gong Miles.
Thank you.
It's a combination of Delta and Korean Air, and like you said, it's all about seat availability.
First of all, I apologize for using the reply box to ask an unrelated question to the post because I didn't see the thread.
1. 7 nights hotel with Marriott 270000 to Southwest 120000 when transferring... My husband's Marriott account, can I get it on my Southwest account?
2. If I received a $300 Chase Reserve Travel credit for a flight booking in October 2016, and I get a refund for a flight cancellation in February 2017, will the $300 Travel credit be returned as a 2016 credit? Or will it be returned as a 2017 credit? I currently have about $150 in 2017 travel credit.
Thank you
1. you'll need to total your original Marriot account first, and then you can transfer it to your original Southwets account.
2. I'm not sure what the requirement is, I don't see people taking back travel credit they've already received, but I don't know if that's a policy or if they just leave it as is.
In Houston, there is nothing available ;ㅅ; Even with the previous post, I gave up because it was Delta and tried to find out with UA, but today I tried again with the news that it is a free stopover, but it was...
I thought I missed it because I went to the Big Island and then had to stop by San Francisco for a wedding, but it's sad... It's sad to live in a city where locals desperately try to talk you out of coming and it's sad to not be able to take advantage of these perks.
But I'm good at learning new things! I've already done a successful Eurasian sweep 3 years ago, but I missed signing up many times ;ㅅ;
It all comes down to seat availability ;;
This is the picture I wanted most...
I'd love to plan a trip with my in-laws this summer...but I don't know if I'll have time....
Thank you!
Thank you for the information. It's good for those who see in the east, but is there any way to utilize it for those who live in the west?
For the West, you can either do Seattle as a stopover before Hawaii, or you can skip coming home from Hawaii and go straight to the East, like New York. I've posted an example in the body of the article, so you might want to check it out.
Wow that's really nice, I've been saving up to fly first class but I might as well just go to Hawaii and throw it away. Nice to see you, but when am I going to fly first class?
Thanks for the great article, it's so detailed and easy to follow.
Now the only problem is to find award tickets available! HNL - JFK direct is really... not even in sight. I learn once again, miles are hard to come by lol but I'll keep looking!!!
Yes. I guess you have to be flexible with the dates. It's a life of miles.
I'm really happy to hear this, my vacation dates are still stable, but is there a fee if I change or cancel after booking? It's Korean Air, so I don't think so.
I explained the cancellation fee in my first post. There is none for July tickets, but starting in August, it's $30,000 to change and 3,000 miles to cancel.
https://www.koreanair.com/global/ko/skypass/flight-award/award-ticket/skyteam-bonus-terms-and-conditions.html
Thank you for the great article. I tried to follow your example, but I keep getting an error message. Is this journey not possible? I tried this and that, but it doesn't work.
atl - lax - ogg
HNL - ATL
"Journey must be terminated in the same country as departure. Please select itinerary again."
Is it possible that the last leg HNL-ATL is an itinerary with a changeover in LA, and the changeover in LA is more than 4 hours? If so, it seems like it's being treated as an extra stopover and causing an error.
Okay, I'll have to try that again, thank you.
I asked a similar question on another board yesterday, and today I came in and saw this kind and detailed explanation!!! Thank you so much. Milemoa is love. 🙂 .
Mamo is a genius. Thank you for the advanced information
Thank you for the valuable information, but I need to register my family first to book tickets with Korean Air.
We don't have any documents in Korea, we got married in the US and the baby was born in the US, so the only proof of our family is our marriage license and the baby's birth certificate.
Is this possible?
Yes. I understand this is possible. Please contact a Korean Air office in the United States. You can also use online chat.
Thank you so much for the information.
I live in West San Jose, is it possible to get to Cancun from the west side?
I looked and Delta doesn't fly out of San Jose.
I'm going to go to L.A. and take Delta from L.A. to Cancun, right?
We'll cover that in our next post.
Where does the mileage really end...
Thank you so much for the great information, Milemoa~!
Can I fly without a Korean Air account (no Korean Air flights)?
I know a lot of people who have Chase points but have never flown Korean Air.
Can I just go to Korean Air's site, create an account, and transfer my Chase points?
Yes. Just create an account on Korean Air's site and transfer your UR points. It doesn't matter if you're flying Korean Air or not.
Wow, that's too good to be true!
We'll have to find out!
I want to fly to Hawaii on Korean Air miles.
The card is in my name.
Can I disconnect my son and daughter's tickets? Or do I need to add more family registrations?
Also, I'm trying to do hotels with miles, but I'm 2-3 days short, so if I make a Chase Hyatt now, can I book 2 for any day? I'm looking at Maui Andaz right now and they're all blocked.
1. you must register as a family, and you must have enough mileage to cover the entire family. You can't combine family members.
2. not just any day, there must be a room available for points (the lowest tier STANDARD room).
My husband has a Safecard.
I need to combine them to get a hotel room.
I thought URs were supposed to combine with each other.
As an exercise, I transferred UR from my husband's point 1 to my card, and it went
And then you just put them on one side and use that to book a room, right?
For airplane tickets, can I register as a family with proof and put the account as a family so that one person can close all the family members?
1. yes. You can add up your UR points and transfer them to the hotel of your choice, but Hyatt is the only one that makes sense, Marriot and others aren't as good in terms of point value.
2. If you want to use Korean Air Miles to ticket in your family name, you must be registered as a family by default. There is one difference between using Korean Air miles for Korean Air tickets and SkyTeam tickets, and you need to be careful when using Korean Air miles for SkyTeam tickets because you can't combine family members. In other words, if you're traveling with two people, it's not a problem if you have 25,000 miles each (because you can each buy your own ticket), but if one of you has 38,000 miles and the other has 12,000, you can't combine them.
That's a very professional answer
An important point that I almost missed.
I have 20,000 skies and he has 50,000 skies
And if ur only have 6 each
What should we do as a couple with two kids?
each of which is equal to 50,000 ur in skies.
Can I just disconnect each of my sons and daughters?
Please confirm again and we will do so
But if I go to SkyPass and attach files to the family registration, will it take a long time?
I'd like to book a ticket within the next week.
1. yes. I think you can do 50,000 each and ticket them as 1 adult + 1 child.
2. Korean Air family registration seems to be resolved within 1-2 days in my experience.
Thank you so much!!!
I found the ATL- HNL date by reading your honey information and researching hard, but I'm worried about my school-going kids.
Should I skip a week of school.... I'm in middle school, so it's not an easy decision
It's hard to fit travel into the kids' school vacation schedule ;);
Why do I keep getting an error when I try to enter OGG and exit Honolulu?
In the example you showed, it seems to break without any problem... should I break it separately?
This time it works~!
I'm the one who asked the question up there. Thank you, Milemoa. You're so kind to reply to every single question. Thank you so much.
To purchase a ticket with SkyPass like I did above
Can I do it online? Or is it better to make an appointment over the phone?
You can do it online. I just finished it, but I suddenly couldn't get it to work in the payment bar, so I called and it said it was because it was on the screen but not actually there, so I changed the date to another day, and it was also paid online, so I hung up the phone and paid online.
Thank you
By the way, when did you make your reservation? I'm looking at the end of April and I'm waiting right now because I'm adding a family, so I'm a little stressed out lol I'm afraid the tickets will be gone.
I see that error, thanks for letting us know.
You can do it over the phone or online. Originally, it was only available by phone, but since the end of last year, it's been possible to search and ticket online, which is one of the main reasons for this post.
Thank you so much for the honey-like information. Ever since I realized the value of miles, I've been using the
I've been stopping by and getting valuable information. Thanks to you, Sari is also on the last train, so Spanding is all that's left~.
I have a question. My wife and I are thinking of going on a prenatal trip in April.
I live in Orlando, Florida, so if my itinerary is a
MCO-ATL-LAX-OGG, HNL-ATL-MCO, etc. But I don't think Ikon can do long distances.
I think I should go to Biz, but I'm not sure I have enough miles~.
Anyway, thanks for the great information. Keep up the good work.
One more... When do you get the membership? Non-member beginners can't ask questions ㅠ_ㅠ
1. the business rarely releases seats on Delta, so I don't think it will be easy.
2. There are no plans for membership at this time.
Amazing!
I can't believe I can do this with Korean Air... I just saved up my URs for this. I have to use 2 Alaska Companyans until July, so I'm looking into Alaska first, but I want to go to Hawaii first.
It takes a lot of time to do something like this and I don't know what to say to thank you for being so detailed.
Hopefully there are seats available on your preferred date.
Mamo.
I've just transferred 270,000 Marriott to Sway and am working on applying for the card with the goal of getting free nights, 120,000 air miles, and the Campaign Pass.
What are my options when I want to go to Hawaii? Not enough miles, right?
We are a family of five.
I wish you the best of luck.
Thank you^^ Thank you
1. Southwest doesn't have a Hawaii route yet, and there's talk of one sometime next year, but that's still up in the air.
2. since you're saving miles separately for Hawaii and once you've accumulated a bunch for Southwest, I'd recommend planning your trip to a Southwest-served route (they have a lot of Caribbean routes).
I'm going to book the ticket on UR, but I have about 20,000 AA miles elsewhere.
If I put that in and it gives me a hotel in Hawaii for a day, should I spend it?
Or should I use it to plan my trip to Cancun next year?
I collected URs last year, but I'm not sure how many miles to collect when planning a trip to Cancun. I'm also thinking of Krzysztoj and the Caribbean.
1. use miles for flights and hotel points for hotel stays. This is the best way to maximize the value of your miles and points.
2. If AA miles don't expire right away, I'd be willing to make up to 35,000 miles and use them to go to Korea, or 22,500 miles for a one-way ticket between the US and Europe in the off-season.
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The ticket is resolved with UR and the
I have 20,000 miles left on AA, but I'm not sure where to spend them.
I want to book a hotel night, is it a waste? I'm a newbie.
I'm planning on Cancun or a cruise next year, so I'll start earning miles again this year, but is it still better to keep AA points?
One more question...
If I move only 1060 URs, SkyPass will be 50k, so when I try to move it like that, it only moves 1000 units.
In this case, is it better to transfer 2000UR? Is there a way to pay from Skypass? I'm not sure.
Yes. You'll need to move $2,000.
I'm having a blast watching it every day.
It's also fun to know this site and have dreams of taking my kids to Florida and Hawaii.
And I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Milemoa for always being so quick and responsive.
But I have a question.
I'm interested in traveling within the US, so I've been reading this post and the one before it about Hawaii, but I don't see anything about getting there through AA, although I'm sure there's a lot more I don't know because I haven't read all the posts here.
I quickly calculated that if I opened the AA citi card with my husband, we could get 100,000 points, which would get us a flight for 4 in the US right away.
I remember reading a few comments about AA being sleazy, but I have a very basic question: what is the right mileage for someone like me who is thinking more about traveling within the US?
Am I right in my decision to prioritize the Citi AA over cards that give Amexspg or Delta miles?
A few years ago, the AA card was popular because you could keep making new cards every three months and keep getting sign-up bonuses, and the mileage availability wasn't bad, so it was great for flights to Korea.
But nowadays, if you make one card, you have to wait two years before you can make another, and if you make an AA card, you're adding a number to your 5/24, which can prevent you from making an important Chase card. So I'd say AA is less useful these days than it used to be.
Of course, miles are what you make of them, so 50k + 50k AA is fine if you make good use of them, but if I were just starting out, I'd build the essential Chase cards first and then consider AA.
See this article.
https://www.milemoa.com/begin-today/
Thank you for your reply.
I have the basic Chase cards (the trap is that I get a lot of points in cash back on unknown sources), and I'm looking at cards that earn airline miles after the Chase cards.
So, one more question.
How does AA's seat situation compare to other US airlines like Delta and United these days?
You've written elsewhere that Delta is also hard to get mileage seats, but which airlines are releasing seats more easily these days?
AA is a little tight for domestic, I'd rather fly Delta these days. UA seems to be somewhere in the middle.
For international flights, UA is fine because Star Alliance is so strong.
I'll have to apply for the card for quality consideration.
Thank you.
I live in L.A. and am planning a trip to Hawaii,
I've been trying to figure out how to add a stopover,
First, I fly direct to New York, stay there for two or three days, and then from New York I fly to Kona, but there's no direct flight, so I have one layover and it takes 13 hours and 25 minutes to get to Kona. And then from Kauai, I fly direct to L.A.
But I'm flying from New York to Kona with a layover in Seattle, and there's a flight that's 35 minutes apart, is that possible, and am I going to miss my flight because I'm going to miss this flight or this layover, which is over 15 hours...
I'd rather go to Seattle for two or three days. Seattle doesn't appeal to me for some reason... Those of you who live in Seattle, what should I do if I go there?
I want to go to New York, but the downside is that it takes a long time.ㅠ.ㅠ
Eastern departures take longer, obviously.
I booked a different route and when I spoke to the CS, he said all nonstops from NYC to Hawaii are full. I think it's because of Milemoa.
Lately, I've been getting an error on Korean Air's website when I search for a ticket, but when I try to actually book it, I get an error. Delta's website says it's possible, and Korean Air's website says it's fine, but when I finally go to the payment step, I get an error. (Especially when I don't see it on a round-trip itinerary, but only on a multi-city itinerary.) I tried to talk to an agent, but the agent was also confused, saying that the seats are available but not ticketed. If you are planning to ticket by transferring URs, I recommend calling Korean Air in advance to inquire about the route before transferring points.
That's good information. I'll update the body of the article.
Thank you so much for this amazing information.
I did New York - L.A. - Maui - (Hawaii local flight) - Honolulu - New York (L.A. one stop).
I really wanted to take my family to Hawaii before my oldest went to college, and it worked out great.
It was also the wish of my oldest child.
I followed the instructions above and it worked without any errors. However, there seemed to be a problem when I did it in Korean, so I did it in English and there was no problem at all. I also have Hilton hotel points, but I haven't used them yet.
If you have any good information, please send it to the email below, thank you.
brimhallhoon@gmail.com
1. We're glad to hear you had a good experience.
2. you might want to take a look at the Hawaii travelogues on the board to see what hotels are good for Hilton points.
https://www.milemoa.com/bbs/index.php?mid=board&category=647764
Oh dear... I should have known, we're going to Hawaii for our honeymoon at the end of July, and we're in L.A.
This doesn't apply to advance purchase tickets, right?
You said you bought the ticket in advance, did you pay for it? Or did you use Korean Air miles to purchase the ticket?
This is great. Let's do filial piety tourism Once I left New York in May, it was all there, but I despaired that there was no bang at all from New York to Hawaii returning to New York, but I hope to go to March next year. Not only Hawaii, but LA is also 25k, which is very nice.
Yes. It's also nice that there are no change or cancellation fees so far.
Thanks for the great info!
I'm a newbie at collecting miles for the first time. I can't figure out how to fly from DC to Hawaii...no matter how hard I try.
I mean, really...what else is there to do but go to New York, follow the original article, and make a schedule?
I don't know when you're leaving, but for example on April 4, a family of 4 can fly WAS-SLC-HNL one way. It's not a direct flight anyway, so a one-stop would be great.
Is it possible to go from the eastern US to Korea, fly into Honolulu from Korea, fly out of Maui, and fly back to the eastern US for 70,000 miles?
1. openjaw is only possible at the destination, so it's not possible to put openjaw in the middle of a journey like the one you mentioned.
2. If you're okay with the New York-Incheon, Incheon-Honolulu, and Honolulu-New York itineraries, then you'll need 80,000 miles, not 70,000. As you can see from the chart, SkyTeam US-Korea is 80,000 miles, which is 10,000 miles more expensive than a simple roundtrip on Korean Air.
I've been trying to use Korean Air's website for a while now, but I keep getting errors...
Did you check the Delta site and see that Honolulu-Washington is two stops or less + Delta only itinerary (Alaska shouldn't be in it) and it's 22,500 miles?
Hi Mamo. I wanted to post a question on the board, but I couldn't sign up, so here it is. I'm going to Korea with my family (wife + baby) for about 3 weeks in the summer (I live in New Jersey), and after looking into various ways, I came up with the New York->Japan->Korea->New York route to take advantage of the peak season split and also travel to Japan, but since there are no tickets from Korea in July and August, the peak season split doesn't make much sense. Anyway, I still wanted to go to Japan, so I looked into using AA to fly JAL, and since my friend was in Osaka, I saw that there was a JFK-NRT-ITM mileage seat on May 25th, so I called ΑΑ and asked, but NRT-ITM doesn't have mileage tickets. (My guess is that ΑΑ doesn't search for JAL domestic flights. lol) So after a bit of a panic, I regrouped and thought about it, and came to the conclusion that I could spend 40,000 SPGs to buy two one-way JAL tickets to Osaka. I'm a little sad to spend my hard-earned SPGs on this, but I'm not sure if it's better to spend 70,000 JFK-NRT ANA miles + $200 NRT-ITM domestic flights (for 2 people) or to save cash and go SPG-less. What do you think?
A search on BA's site shows that there are no seats available for NRT-Osaka on 5/26, but there are plenty of seats for HND-Osaka, HND-KIX, and HND-ITM almost everywhere else. It's a bit of a hassle to get from NRT to HND, but if you want to use AA miles, you could sleep overnight in Tokyo and fly HND-ITM the next morning.
I see, there are no Narita Haneda flights going directly over on the 25th. It's weird that JAL says there are plenty of seats for JFK-NRT-ITM on the 25th, but the AA agent says there are no seats, so I thought maybe AA doesn't book domestic connections in Japan in the first place. After thinking about it, I applied for spg miles trnasfer. I'm sure they won't run out in the meantime. Excited.
A flight departing the US on the 25th will arrive in Japan on the 26th, so you'll need to look for a flight on the evening of the 26th or a flight on the 27th.
This is such a great option, but it's so hard to accommodate me, who is busy until March, and my husband, who is a school employee and has to take long vacations only in the summer... We have a baby and wanted to take my in-laws on a vacation.
Is there any way I can spend 25,000 miles and go somewhere else in the US? I'm so disappointed. black
Other locations in the US are certainly possible, if space permits.
HNL-JFK is only nonstop until the end of March, after which Delta eliminated the direct flight altogether. It's not that they don't have seats, but they've changed the flight to a layover altogether. I'm sharing this for your information. 🙂 🙂 .
This is something I didn't know about. Is this a temporary shutdown, or is it going to be down for a while?
I'm planning a trip in early September, so I searched until then, but it's completely gone. ㅠㅠ I asked a travel agency I know just in case, but they said it seems to have disappeared. Please note that it's not available.
Alas Milemoa, so I have 70k in SPG (85k after transferring), 100k in Chase, and 16k in other Chase, so almost 200k.
My family is coming from Korea for the summer: my two parents, my sister, my brother, my brother-in-law, my brother-in-law, my sister-in-law, and my two nephews.
I thought I could ticket a total of 8 people for $200,000, and I've already talked about going to Hawaii.
It says family registration is limited to siblings, so does that mean I can only buy tickets for 5 people even if I have miles?
Can't my sister or brother get their own miles and buy tickets for their brother, sister-in-law, or nieces and nephews?
It was hard enough to plan a trip, but I was so excited to prepare for it when I saw this article... I suddenly had a panic attack!
Is there any other way? Please help me ㅠ.ㅠ
1. Mileage ticketing is based on seat availability first. If there are 8 people, including you, and we are all going together, we need at least 9 seats, but did you check if there are 9 miles available?
2. According to Korean Air rules, you cannot use your Korean Air miles to issue tickets for your brother, sister-in-law, or nephew.
3. the only way I can think of right now is to transfer your SPG points to your sister or brother's account with the same address, and then they can transfer the miles from their SPG account to Korean Air for their respective family members (in your case, siblings). However, this is not very easy, as the address must be shared for at least 30 days, so I'm not sure if you have that much time. ("If you share an address with another SPG member, you can transfer Starpoints between accounts in increments of 1,000.")
4. In any case, I think your first priority should be to see if you can get 9 spots before you turn over your SPG points.
Now it looks like you can't book a roundtrip to Hawaii after stopping in a US city for 25,000. I spoke to a CS and it looks like a lot of people have booked that way through MileMoa.
Could it be that there were no seats available on the dates you wanted? When I looked at the 3/1, 3/6, and 3/11 itinerary I used as an example in the text online (though I didn't go so far as to ticket it myself), the itinerary itself appears to be valid.
I chatted with them to reschedule, and then I rescheduled it again, and they called me and said that they don't do 25,000 for Hawaii and New York, and I said, "Why?" and they said, "Well, this time we're all booked up, so we'll just do it, but in the future, if you do it, you'll get more miles. Korean Air seemed to have a lot to say about this route.
I'm not sure what your original itinerary was, but under the current rules, you should be able to make the stopover anyway. Of course, Korean Air's site says that the miles deducted for SkyTeam can change at any time, so I wouldn't be surprised if it does. Thanks for the information.
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In my case, I changed the reservation while it was ticketed, so I'll just do it this time,
I explained that the next time I rebooked or did a route like this, I would not be able to do Hawaii + East Coast for 25,000 miles.
In principle, yes, the itinerary is from LA to Hawaii, and the ticketing rules for SkyTeam tickets say that "nonstop flights between origin and destination are preferred". Of course, we do allow exceptions in the very next sentence, which says, "However, we do allow layovers for flight connections," but I have to say that an itinerary like the one you're describing is definitely problematic when you're talking to someone on the phone.
So, as I explained in the article, I think it's best to think of it as a situation where it's generally acceptable for people in the East or Midwest to stop in the West on their way to Hawaii, not for people in the West to turn around and stop in the East on their way back from Hawaii, which is only acceptable online.
Wow wow wow! Thank you so much Milemoa!!! Luckily, our trip is in October, so there are only nine digits (so far) left for the dates we want!!! Thank you so much. Ah~ I was really freaking out because I was spreading rumors around the neighborhood, but you are the best!!! Thank you.
By the way, is it possible to sign up for an SPG account in Korea without an Amex card? Please let me know as far as Yogo~~^^ ;;;;;
Yes. You can sign up with any card. We recommend that you use your address when signing up.
Thank you so much!!! I'll be sure to leave you a great success story!!! 🙂 Thank you!!!
East to West is 25k round trip to Hawaii, is there anything like this for a San Francisco resident?
Example: 25000-30000 roundtrip from San Francisco to East Coast (destination).
We've used the LA example in the text, but it's also possible to use New York as a stopover on your way back from Hawaii, and then fly back to your starting point.
I live in New York City. I'm going to Hawaii this year to visit family from Korea and I've been studying wear and tear, but I'm having a hard time applying it. Please help. T.T
I can transfer ur points from Sapphire to Korean Air for miles, but that's about it.
My travel route is JFK-OGG-HNL-JFK. What is my best option?
In your previous post, you mentioned that Hawaiian Airlines is 30,000, how do I book a ticket?
Have you tried following the instructions exactly as written?
I booked a flight to Maui on Delta for 100,000 KAL miles for a family of 4 from the west coast after reading your post.
Which airline rules will my baggage be subject to in this case?
KALs are two free, but Delta charges a fee for the first bag.
Because the airline you're flying is Delta, you're subject to Delta rules.
Yes. Here's what I did
11/11 Jfk-sea (I'm not sure if the stopover is necessary, as I'm flying to Maui that day, so no, to Seattle the next day.)
11/12 Sea-ogg
11/19 HNL-JFK (no direct flights)
But in the end, I get an error. ㅜ.ㅜ
This is a similar case to mine (except for the LA stopover). After some trial and error, I finally booked it without a problem.
In hindsight, in my case the error was either that the lowest mileage (I don't remember the exact number of miles...) flight didn't exist for at least one of the legs, or that it did and I chose a different time slot.
In other words, I don't think you'll get the error, as long as the minimum mile conditions are met on all routes. Good luck!!!
Yes. As I've explained in the text, you can only book on Korean Air's site if there are mileage seats available on the Borden route for Delta's lowest miles, so as I've said repeatedly, it's not always easy to find dates when mileage seats are available.
When you say there are no nonstops on 11/19, do you mean that there are no flights booked on the Delta site for 22,500 miles on that date? If so, that's definitely an error. As I explained in the text, there should be a minimum mileage redemption seat on each leg.
Okay, so I didn't confirm the return flight space with Delta first, so I guess that's where the error came from. I'll have to try again. Thank you. Mr. Bayside, Mr. Mamo.
I'm looking at a BOS-HNL or OGG, OGG or HNL-BOS schedule.
Delta's website says East-Hawaii one-way is 22500 miles, so that's 25000 roundtrip economy on Korean Air.
I know you said there are very few seats available, but it's a long trip from the East Coast to Hawaii, so I'd like to look into Business or First.
Is the itinerary shown in miles on Delta Business/First, and if so, how many miles are required roundtrip on Korean Air?
There's also a seat called Delta Comfort, how many miles would that show up in a search?
If I look at it as a BOS-LAX(stopover)-OGG itinerary, I should look at it as a domestic segment, which is 12500 miles each way.
So how many miles should I search for LAX-OGG?
I want to follow the JFK itinerary you gave as an example, but I live in a different city and am confused if I'm doing it right.
I'm sorry I didn't understand it right away even though you explained it in such a detailed way with examples.
1. not Delta Comfort, and for business, the mainland-Hawaii segment should be possible on Delta's site for 40,000 miles each way, which is nearly impossible.
2. LAX-OGG is a Hawaii segment, so you'll need to find dates with seats available for 22,500 miles.
I don't see business but rather first for 50k, is this the lowest mileage seat I can book? If so, that would be great.
Then when searching for multicity with stopover and open jaw,
See if there are seats available for Boston-L.A. 12500 miles one way
See if there are seats available for 22500 miles one-way L.A.-Maui
After checking if there are seats available for Honolulu-Boston one way for 22500 miles,
So if I search for multicity on Korean Air, it's still 25000 miles roundtrip?
Right. Right, but as I said in the text, you have to take out the Alaska Airlines flights from the Delta site, and then you have to make the whole Boston-LA, L.A.-Maui trip a three-plane itinerary, so if Boston-LA is a one-stop, L.A.-Maui is a nonstop.
I booked JFK-LAX, LAX-HNL, HNL-JFK with my mom for 50,000 miles for the two of us for late August/early September.
Of course, HNL-JFK is not a direct flight, but via LAX.
It's all thanks to Milemoa. I'm always so grateful.
Now you want to do some research on hotels.
Hawaii and the west coast are expensive, but I have a limited amount of points left for each hotel, so I'm wondering how to get there. Maybe I should stay at air bnb for a few days....
I have the Hilton Amex, should I create a Hilton City Reserve...? 고민됩니다.
You've done a great job, congratulations.
When I make a booking like this, if I have a baby under 2 years old traveling with me as a lap child, will the fare/miles for that follow Korean Air rules or Delta rules?
Since the actual boarding is with Delta, it is my understanding that Delta rules are followed for a lap child without a seat.
Hey Magicians. I'm going to Hawaii from DC for my honeymoon.
Tips, please!
IAD HNL OGG IAD I was wondering what would be the most efficient way to use miles for a plane ticket from D.C. to Honolulu and Maui (in no particular order) and back to D.C. this way.
I have plenty of Chase UR points. Help us out!
You can still follow the instructions in the text. Search for it on the Delta site.
Wow!
It's hard to go to Hawaii once and still not get there;;
Reading your post, Mamo, I'm looking forward to next year!!!
Yep. Way to go!
I'm a newbie just starting out. I'm looking to get either the Sharp or Sari card from Chase. I'm worried about the Sari because of the high annual fee, but the 10,000 point offer is tempting me. However, I'm thinking the Sharp has a lower annual fee for ongoing use... Please advise!
If you can get a sari at a branch, I'd recommend getting one first. There's a hefty annual fee, but it's $300 a year for the first year and you get $600 back, so it's a no-brainer.
Thank you for your answer. However, I don't understand the $300 for the first year and $600 for the second year. It sounds like you're referring to the $300 credit for travel-related purchases each year, so you get two in the first year?
The annual fee is charged the day you create the card and is due 12 months later. However, the $300 credit on the Sari Card is based on a calendar year, so if you create the card now, you'll get $300 in 2017 and $300 in 2018 before the next annual fee is charged.
For more information, see this article.
https://www.milemoa.com/2016/11/30/december-statement-date/
I'm making a sari right now and filling up my spending. Instead of spending $300 in one lump sum later, I'm using it in the travel section and it's crediting itself. If I spend $20 on MTA today, it will automatically credit me $20 tomorrow.
And for Sari, the annual fee is not waived, so the first month's bill comes from the first month.
So I need to spend 4000+ 300 travel credits + 450 annual fee = 4750 spend, so I'm putting all my spend into saris.
I personally like Sari not only for the $300 credit, but also for the airline lounge access.
Thank you for your answers, MileMoa and SONGSONG ^^ I made the sari yesterday and am waiting for the card:-) I'm going to Korea for a short visit and I'm excited to use the airline lounge 🙂 .
I was planning a trip to Hawaii this year, and thanks to your post, I booked a test drive and was excited to try it out.
I'm thinking of making a hotel card again, but there are so many stories that I can't make up my mind easily. Are Hyatt Chase and Hilton City the best for 4 nights in Maui? There are so many types of amex spg, ihg chase hotel cards. I'm also greedy for gold diamonds or something like mothers, but what card is the best to play well in Maui this time and level up in the future? I don't travel that often, maybe once or twice a year, so maybe that doesn't apply to leveling up? T.T
I like hotels that give me breakfast and charge for parking, but Maui is so packed that I don't have time to eat at the hotel.
I'd suggest you go to the site here and do a search to see what hotels are available on Maui for points, and then you can plan your stay accordingly.
https://wandr.me/hotel-tools/hotel-hustle/
How are you?
I found out about marmot through a friend last year, so I've been running hard. LOL
After spending 200,000 Hilton points to book a 5-night stay at Hawaiian Village,
UR Ticketed 2 people with 5 Korean Air miles transferred.
The itinerary is BOS-LAX (stop over)- HNL // HNL-(LAX)-BOS.
(I haven't decided where I'll be staying in LA yet).
I was going to go to Maui, but my wife didn't want me to travel too far, so I gave up. lol
I followed your instructions and the ticketing was easy.
Thank you so much for your kind explanation.
My first trip to Hawaii... I can't wait ^^.
Congratulations on your ticketing.
I tried it today and Delta says I have a seat, but I keep getting an error on Korean Air's site. Has anyone else tried it recently?
Give me the dates and itinerary and I'll do a search for you.
I'm a Miles beginner.
I'm planning a family trip to Hawaii this summer, but how is the smartest way to redeem miles?
You currently have a card and miles;
1. Alaska Airline: 30,000 miles
2. IHG: 93,000 points
3. Freedom: 25,000 miles
4. Chase Reserve: 100,000 or so after next month's signup spend
5. Korean Air: 45,000 miles
I've been researching Hawaii hotels with IHG and all I can find is Holiday Inn. I'm not very good at searching, am I missing something? Any advice from the experts would be appreciated.
Do you want a flight? Or do you want a hotel? How many minutes and where are you flying from? For Hawaii mileage tickets, Korean Air is the best option, but depending on your location and dates, mileage seats can be very hard to come by.
We're going on a week-long vacation starting the first week of July. It's peak season... We're flying from GA with 3 kids and my wife and I, and 2 of my siblings from Korea - 4 total - will be meeting us in Hawaii. That's 7 of us, and we'd like to book 3 flights for 3 people, plus a hotel for my sister, and 3 rooms.
If this is the peak booking period, should I change my vacation date? I'm seriously considering it.
You don't have enough miles to cover the entire itinerary you're planning.
1. for airfare, Korean Air 25,000 miles is the best option, but it doesn't look possible for 3 people for the first week of July now that I'm searching.
2. If the seat is subsequently released, it will cost 75,000 Korean Air miles in ticket miles only. Currently 45,000 Korean Air miles. Since I have 125,000 transferable Chase points, that leaves me with 95,000 miles after the ticket, which I can transfer to Hyatt points for 4-5 nights at a Hyatt hotel, depending on location.
3. but I don't have enough points to book 2 rooms for my siblings for 4-5 nights. The 30,000 Alaska miles don't help, and IHG points are only good for 2 nights in one room.
4. airfare is the biggest challenge anyway, and I don't think it will be easy to book.
Thank you.
I vaguely thought I would not have enough miles. I'll have to adjust my vacation dates a bit more, maybe this winter...
If I change my destination to LAS VEGAS, will the airfare and lodging for a family of 3 be covered?
It might be possible if you time your dates right, but Las Vegas is a place where hotels are cheap and promotions are plentiful, so I usually pay cash rather than miles and points.
A July flight to LAS is showing up as 25,000 miles roundtrip, the same miles as Hawaii. Am I searching correctly?
For the same mileage, it's Hawaii...
Answer. US domestic flights are normally 25,000 miles roundtrip. Most airlines set Hawaii as a separate region and charge more miles, but Korean Air charges the same 25,000 miles for this route as for US domestic, so you're talking about a great deal.
Thank you so much, I just booked a 9 day Chicago-Maui-Honolulu-Chicago for the end of January next year. I go to Hawaii once every two years and I'm so excited to go! 🙂 Thank you so much!
Congratulations.
Now, let's wait with bated breath for the Cancun post~!
Great post, thank you so much.
I'd love to go there someday.
However, I have a question... Can I apply the above method to "Chicago - Seattle (or LA) - Anchorage (Alaska)"?
I'd love to go to Hawaii, and I've always wanted to go to Alaska.
Delta does serve Anchorage, so it should be possible, but I can't say it's 100% without trying it myself. I would suggest searching on Delta's site and then try Korean Air's site.
Is baggage chargeable when ticketing the above itinerary with Korean Air miles? Or is it free?
If there is a charge for checked bags other than carry-on bags, will the entire trip be treated as a single trip?
Or do I have to pay for luggage separately for each leg ^^?
1. When flying Delta, you are subject to Delta's baggage rules. For Delta rules, see the Delta site.
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/traveling-with-us/baggage.html
2. I understand that for domestic flights, you have to pay for baggage each time you check in for a new flight, so if you're connecting LGA-LAX-HNL on the same day, you'll only pay once. If you have a one or two day stopover at LAX in between, you'll pay once at LGA-LAX and then again at LAX-HNL.
Thank you for your detailed reply. I'm now wondering whether to ticket the LAX - NYC - ATL - LAX IR SEA route on Korean Air or paid or Singapore miles,
I guess you have to take into account that no matter what you ticket with, you'll have to pay for luggage unless it's Sway.
Yes. I guess you'll have to pay for your baggage.
MileMoanim
Thanks for the great article.
Between Korea (ICN) and my final destination (MSP)... I want to take LA/Seattle and add a Hawaii itinerary, but how do I organize it? Especially ICN->(LAX or SEA), I think I'll have to use Korean Air miles (since Delta only deducts 80k for international flights)... It's very complicated and I don't have an answer. Any tips?
There are some instances where the miles game is magical, but for the most part, ticketing is done on a common-sense level. The itinerary you described used to be possible, but now it's almost impossible to do it with two stopovers and Hawaii, especially when there's a certain number of miles you can redeem.
Hi Milemoa. I always enjoy reading your posts.
Is this technique still valid? I tried to use the multi-region search in Korean Air Mileage Ticket Search, but it seems like I can't enter two US cities in a row anymore. For example, if I type [LAX -> HNL], I get an error message saying "The same region cannot be selected for both departure and arrival."... Is there something I'm doing wrong? Or is it now impossible to book domestic US flights on Korean Air?
Thanks in advance for your response!
You need to select the SkyTeam award option first and then search for multi segment. I'm searching now and I don't see the error message you mentioned.
Over the course of the next year, Delta expects to have
The cheapest flight to Honolulu, New York for miles is 45,000 miles.
Didn't 25,000 miles turn into 45,000 miles?
Do 25,000 mile airline tickets suddenly appear out of nowhere?
Korean Air and Delta are the same skyteam partner, so you can book a Delta flight with Korean Air miles. If you can book a flight from New York to Hawaii on the Delta site for 22,500 miles one-way and 45,000 miles roundtrip, if you book it with Korean Air miles on the Korean Air site, you can book it for 25,000 miles with the condition that it's a roundtrip ticket only. So it's the exact same Delta flight, but Delta requires 45,000 miles and Korean Air requires 25,000 miles.
In practice, this is often the case. A nonstop Lufthansa Business flight from New York to Frankfurt is 75,000 miles each way when booked with UA miles, but 40,000 miles + fuel surcharges when booked with Asiana miles.
Oops, I was misunderstanding... Thanks for the great info as always. ^^)
hello,
Read some really great mileage reviews and
I'm looking to redeem miles for a flight from Phoenix to Hawaii. On Delta search, I see a difference of 22,500 or 27,500 miles. Sometimes the cheapest miles are only 27,500. Is it really necessary to search with only 22,500 miles?
Answer. Only flights to Hawaii that cost 22,500 miles on the Delta site can be searched and booked on the Korean Air site.
I have dates on Delta that are clearly available for 22,500 miles (e.g. 18/3/23 LAX-OGG), but Korean Air says there are no tickets. I chatted with an agent and they said award seats are full.I wonder if there's something wrong with the airline's linkage.
Uh, yeah, that's weird, I too saw seats available on Delta for 3/23-3/28 LAX-OGG 22,500 miles and when I search on Korean Air's site it shows no seats ;; I hope it's just a temporary glitch.
I tried it again today and it works fine. I booked it early just in case something changed ^^ Thank you~.
Ah, that's great, thanks for the update.
I'm posting here because I'm not a member and don't know where else to ask for help. Please forgive me. T.T
I bought a Hawaiian Airlines ticket on Revenue for a trip to Hawaii. I paid $$135 more for economy on the way from New York and $$135 more for extra comfort on the way back. However, the other day, they gave me a notice that they changed my seat to 15a,b. I asked them why they changed it, and they said they were sorry, but 15a,b is also extra comfort, and they said they would give me a $25 airline credit for the offense. Again, no explanation.
I wonder why this happened to me, I wonder who will take my place, and I feel terrible about it, so what's the best way to handle it? Do you think this happens to moms too?
Was there a change of aircraft? If so, it's not uncommon, and the terms and conditions state that seat assignments are subject to change at any time. I'd just like to confirm that your new seat assignment of 15A or B is an Extra Comfort seat.
Dear Mamo, Thank you so much for this invaluable information. I'm trying to ticket to Hawaii this time, and Delta says there are seats available, but Korean Air says there aren't. Am I doing something wrong?
Itinerary is 8-28, DCA-LAX
8-29, LAX-OGG
9-1, HNL-DCA
I checked one way with Delta, and the seats are 22,500, 12,500, and 22,500 in points, so why is it not showing up on Korean Air? Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you.
We hear that sometimes online booking doesn't work well these days. Try calling Korean Air or giving online chat a try.
Hi Mamo
I'm planning a trip from NYC to Hawaii sometime in January and my wife is pregnant and I'd like to upgrade her seat to at least Delta Comfort+ if possible, is that possible?
With the above explanation, should I just book the ticket and call Delta to upgrade the seat in the desired segment? Or can't I just search+book Comfort+ or higher seats on Korean Air's site? I don't mind spending more than 25000 miles...any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
1. domestic business/first class ticketing is theoretically possible on Korean Air's site, but I've never seen actual mileage seats available ;;
2. I haven't checked whether it's possible to change a Comfort+ ticket by paying extra cash after ticketing economy with partner airline miles. My guess is that you shouldn't because the ticket stock is different.
3. If your wife is pregnant, why not find an option that's a little closer than Hawaii, which is nearly 10 hours away?
Thank you for your response.
That's a bit far, isn't it?
But today I went to the Delta site again and searched and I don't see any dates from January to June with 22500 points ;;;
Not so long ago, there were a few days in January... What happened?
Mileage seat availability changes several times a day, so it seems like your only option is to keep searching.
I think this is over now, I'm looking at a month and the minimum is 25k. Is there any hope???
It doesn't look easy unless Delta does something dramatic to unseat them.
It seems like there are no seats for a while and then they come back.
I live in the central part of the country and need to connect to the west.
When I tried to make a reservation for the end of the year, it was impossible from the first section.
I searched for it today, and it's all over the place.
That's great! That's the first good news in a while.
Did you succeed in ticketing?
I tried to go this way from Washington, DC, but I keep getting an error.
There are seats available to Honolulu, Washington, DC.
Washington->LA->OGG,
Honolulu->Washington
This path continues to error out.
Is there no way?
1. Are there seats available on each segment but not being ticketed? Or are there no seats on the Washington-LA-OGG segment at all?
2. when you search Washington-LA-OGG, does Washington-LA come up as a direct flight? Or is it an itinerary with a stopover? Similarly, if Honolulu-Washington is not a direct flight, how many connections does it show? This is very important, as I wrote in the text.
3. If you meet all the conditions and search for each segment, but can't find a seat online, you may want to contact Korean Air's chat service.
You're traveling from New York to Hawaii with a stopover in Los Angeles or Seattle.
There are no possible itineraries...
I wonder if this method is blocked?
I don't think it's impossible to get a ticket to Hawaii from the US mainland, but whether or not you can get a stopover in LA or Seattle like you want is a different question. You can chat with Korean Air on their site.
Do stopovers and open jaws not apply to international flights from Korea?
I thought I could think of it as Korea-New York-Senfranc-Korea, like Chicago to New York with a stopover in New York and then Senfranc-Korea, but the Korean Air website keeps giving me errors.
Sorry this isn't a Hawaiian question
1. When flying Korean Air for the entire route, stopovers are only possible on two-way flights with a stopover in Korea.
2. you mentioned Chicago in the middle, what exactly is the journey you have in mind?
Sorry I didn't make my question clear enough, I was thinking Korea-New York-Chicago-Senfran-Korea. I understood Chicago as a stopover and Senfran as an open jaw. I tried to select the SkyTeam award on Korean Air's website and proceed with ticketing, but it's stuck from New York-Chicago ㅜㅜ I don't need to use Korean Air for the whole itinerary, so I tried to select the SkyTeam award. Am I understanding the stopover and open-jaw correctly?
If you have a Korea-New York-Chicago itinerary, New York would be the stopover and Chicago would be the destination, which is kind of a backtrack, and I don't know if Korean Air would allow that, so you might want to give them a call.
Just wanted to share that it's still available, but finding it through Delta rarely works, and I was able to find it through Virgin's interface and then enter the available dates on DanGong's site and get a ticket.
Boston-LA
LA-Oahu
Oahu-Boston
to the ticket.
Thanks for sharing your story. Good job on the ticketing!
I flew to Los Angeles yesterday on Korean Air flight KE011 and was seated in seat 31H on the plane.
I forgot an important brochure, and I'm trying to find it.
Branch phone number 310 646 4866 Cry and find out (call 1588-2001)
but they don't answer) I called them around 3:30pm and they didn't pick up even after 30 minutes of holding the phone... so I gave up... I'm worried about how much they're going to screw over the people of Korea after they screwed over Asiana.
I hope you found the important booklet.
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