Stephen Miller, Steve Bannon, 그리고 STEM 이민

어제 Senior Advisor인 Stephen Miller가 대단한 발언을 했습니다.

영상 첨부가 안 되네요. 링크에서 보시면 돼요.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHusZDjesr4

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/13/stephen-millers-audacious-controversial-declaration-trumps-national-security-actions-will-not-be-questioned/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_fact-checker-522a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.382cc7e4baef

(Emphasis mine)

    DICKERSON: When I talked to Republicans on the Hill, they wonder, what in the White House -- what have you all learned from this experience with the executive order?

    MILLER: Well, I think that it's been an important reminder to all Americans that we have a judiciary that has taken far too much power and become, in many cases, a supreme branch of government. One unelected judge in Seattle cannot remake laws for the entire country. I mean this is just crazy, John, the idea that you have a judge in Seattle say that a foreign national living in Libya has an effective right to enter the United States is -- is -- is beyond anything we've ever seen before.

    The end result of this, though, is that our opponents, the media and the whole world will soon see as we begin to take further actions, that the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned.

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"The powers of the president ... will not be questioned."

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말하는 것만 보면 지금 여기가 미국인지 북한인지 잘 모르겠네요.

WaPo는 차분한 언어로, MSNBC는 잔뜩 열이 받아서 비판을 하고 있고요.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/13/stephen-millers-audacious-controversial-declaration-trumps-national-security-actions-will-not-be-questioned/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_fact-checker-522a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.382cc7e4baef

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/-what-stephen-miller-said-should-worry-everyone-875968067895?cid=sm_tw_mojoe

아무튼 이렇게 이민에 대해서 엄청나게 강한 스탠스를 취하고 있는 스티븐 밀러인데, 이걸 보니 밀러와 예전 Breitbart 뉴스 출신이자 현 White House Chief Strategist인 Steve Bannon과의 인터뷰가 떠오르네요.

http://santa_croce.blog.me/220928998100?Redirect=Log&from=postView

이 블로그에 한국어로 요약이 되어 있고요.

이게 인터뷰 녹취록인데,

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/2/14472404/steve-bannon-legal-immigration-problem

(Emphasis mine)

BANNON: Where are we in the Trump campaign with the H-1B visas? Because we got the oligarchs down there, man, and they have got Karl Rove and literally hundreds of millions of dollars, and they are coming with one reason. And they are coming for unlimited ability to go throughout the world and have people come here and compete with kids coming out of engineering schools and IT jobs. If you are in your 40s and 50s right now, people will tell you, they haven’t had a raise in decades in IT. What was supposed to be a great career turned out not to be a great career. It’s because of these visas.

And now you got all the engineering schools full of people from South Asia and East Asia. And it’s not that I have any problem with those folks learning, but they are coming here to take these jobs. You have turned over the entire American education system — we have cut out art, we have cut out history, we have cut out music. Why have we done it? STEM, science, technology, engineering, and math. We have told every minority kid in this country, you got to excel at that. What happens? They get into graduate schools, they can’t get engineering degrees, they can’t get into graduate schools because there are all these foreign students, when they come out, they can’t get a job. And they are looking for these people like Ted Cruz and Donald Trump who talk about immigration and talk about H-1B visas to stand up for them against these oligarchs. So where are we on this?

MILLER: Well, that was brilliantly stated.

[....]

High-skilled immigration and the H-1B visa are just not the same thing. And you’ll notice when you pick up a copy of the newspaper, you will often see the phrase high-skilled immigration — and sometimes it is used by people on our own side, and I just don’t ever use that phrase, because the reality is we are talking about less skilled foreign guest workers that are less educated than Americans, who are paid less than Americans, who know less about the computing industry and about the technology industry than Americans — so I just don’t use that phrase.

BANNON: Is Donald Trump going to stand up to these oligarchs? That are down on this island with Arthur Brooks and all the swells of guys at AEI ... down there with Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan, who wants unlimited immigration. ... Is Donald Trump going to stand up to those guys, or is he going to kiss their ring?

MILLER: There is zero doubt what Mr. Trump’s position is on H-1Bs. And the statement that went out that evening from Mr. Trump, that he felt very strongly about, made clear that the H-1B program is going to be reformed dramatically to protect American workers. If you go back and look at Mr. Trump’s policy papers —

[...]

The word high-skilled doesn’t even appear in that paper — because again, we don’t use the term to describe high-skilled workers — other people can, that’s their choice, but the system that he wants is that on the permanent immigration that we would switch from a low-skilled to a high-skilled system, on the permanent immigration side. Not talking these guest workers.

BANNON: You saw these guest workers. You saw the CIS report yesterday. You saw that, what is it, 61 million? Isn’t the beating heart of this problem, the real beating heart of it, of what we gotta get sorted here, is not illegal immigration? As horrific as that is, and it’s horrific, don’t we have a problem, we’ve looked the other way on this legal immigration that’s kinda overwhelmed the country? When you look and there’s got 61 million, 20 percent of the country, is immigrants — is that not a massive problem? You were with Jeff Sessions for many, many years. Is that not the beating heart of this problem?

저도 나름 배넌과 밀러의 대화를 요약해보면 이렇습니다.

- STEM은 좋은 일자리여야 하는데 아니다. 그건 H1B 비자 때문이다.
- 공대는 남아시아와 동아시아에서 온 사람들로 꽉 찼다. 얘네들은 일자리를 빼앗으러 온 것이다.
- 미국인들이 STEM 학위를 못 받거나 대학원에 못 간다. 대학을 졸업해도 일자리를 못 찾는다.
- 그건 외국인 유학생들 때문이고 H1B 비자 때문이다.
- H1B 비자는 '고숙련 비자'와 같지 않다. H1B 받고 와서 일하는 외국인들은 교육도 덜 받았고 임금도 덜 받고 컴퓨터 산업에 대해서도 잘 모르고 기술 산업에 대해서도 잘 모른다. 그러니 '고숙련'이라는 말을 쓰지 않는다.
- 영구 이민을 저숙련에서 고숙련 시스템으로 바꿀 것이다. (그리고 여기서 말하는 '고숙련'은 H1B 받고 일하는 외국인 IT 노동자들이 아니다.)
- 그러므로 진짜 문제는 불법 이민이 아니다. 합법 이민이다.

이 두 사람은 분명히 현 트럼프 정부의 핵심 인물이고, 그 안에서 권력 다툼이 분명히 있을 것이니 이들의 생각이 어디까지 트럼프에게 영향을 미칠지는 모르겠지만, 이 둘 만 있는 것도 아니고 이전 밀러의 보스이자 역시 반이민적인 Jeff Sessions (Attorney General인데, 예전에 아예 OPT 없애버리는 법안도 발의한적 있지요)도 있으니, 흔히 생각하는 공화당의 "불법 이민" 반대가 아니라, STEM/H1B를 통한 합법적인 이민까지 갈아엎으려는 행정부의 의지가 보인다고 생각합니다. 마모에 계신 분들 중 적지 않은 분들이 여기에 연관이 될 것이고요.

물론 H1B나 영주권 절차를 이들이 원하는 대로 갈아엎으려면 7개국 입국 거부처럼 행정명령만으론 안 될거고 법을 바꿔야 할테고 여기엔 몇 년의 시간이 걸릴테니 지금 당장 NIW같은 걸 들어갈 수 있으면 최대한 빨리 하는 게 좋겠지만, 아직 H1B를 받지 않았거나, 현재 F-1이고 졸업이 오래 남았거나, 현재 OPT (특히 STEM 연장)중에 있다면 굉장히 불안할 것 같습니다. 저도 마찬가지고요. 물론 졸업이 최우선이지만, 졸업하고 나서 미래가 너무 불확실하네요...